Though not as snappy of a title as “Breakin' 2 – Electric Boogaloo” or the recently posted “Warhammer – The Age of Reckoning” (I knew I should have copyrighted that while I had the chance), I believe it to be descriptive and appropriate to the vast on-line role playing game that the diligent and clever Mr. Peter Smith has developed.
I have been attempting to help Mr. Pete test his project since it began and have put forward a number of suggestions along with the other Astromen! I offer this post as an opportunity to really get at the bugs in game play, that if fixed I think could make this game really fun and addictive. That is right, as much as our Dungeon Master begrudges it, that is the goal of making a game. Just check out Lost Labyrinth and see how quickly the hours will pass you by. Please post your suggestions in the comment section so that they can be addressed by the Shield Lands development team.
After a recent streak of being punished, pummelled, and demoralized during the games that have been hosted by Mr. Pete I found myself comparing the current incarnation of the Shield Lands with its first rough draft of last year.
Mr. Pete has succeeded in creating a detailed world of fantasy and adventure in which you can create a character seeking glory and riches. You start out as an untrained and destitute mercenary in the village of Caer Mabon. Throughout your game sessions you can help this besieged military outpost clear the dangerous region of bloodthirsty monsters that wish to destroy all that the Shield Landers stand for. You go out into the wilderness with your character, hopefully with a group of friends and fellow mercenaries, and whittle down the varied and dangerous monster populations (MPOP[tm]) in fierce battle. By gaining experience and salvaging gear from your fallen foes you are able to work your character up to being a mediocre mercenary, now with a bit of hardened battle behind you and some salvaged, shoddily constructed goblin gear in your sack. A bit more confident, you can now set out farther afield from the safety of Caer Mabon in search of the nasty leaders of the savage monsters as well as greater treasures and glory, hoping to strike a decisive blow for the Shield Landers. Problem is, you are then subjected to being bashed, slashed, killed, looted, and eaten so bad that when you limp back to the village you are once again dirt poor and have lost much of your experience and bravery due to the repeated thrashings you received at the hands of your foes. Humiliated, you log off and decide next time to make another character in the hope that his fortunes in the Shield Lands will prove better.
I am not sure if this part of some larger nihilistic philosophy that Mr. Pete holds or if it is just part of ironing out the bugs of such a big gaming project, but most of us have played table top role-playing games with him and know that when he is the Dungeon Master he plays competitively; seeing as he gets to make the rules, the player characters have nothing in store for them but the glory of making important medieval products such as charcoal, and are doomed to a terribly disgraceful death if they venture beyond the safety of civilization. I for one have learned my lesson, and from now when Mr. Pete hosts a game of any kind I will stay close to town and work on becoming a skilled artisan. Feel the Adventure!
Here is an attempt to lay out some changes that I think would vastly improve game play and I believe most of them would be relatively easy to implement. If this is becoming too big to manage I think most of the other Astromen! would be more than happy to help when not doing something productive.
Design Treasure!!!
It is time to let the beloved monster populations be for a while and now we collectively demand that treasure be added to the game. “Oh those cursed PC's always searching for treasure!” A dagger, rags, and a chicken egg are not treasure, and if that is all that is available than Chuck the Mortician is going to open up a embalming service in search of profits, or maybe a shoe factory full of little Gnome cobblers.
Especially with the hilarious looting goblins there needs to be a large pool of persistent magic items, valuable exotic crafts, and simple military gear. I am not talking about 127 longsword +3 tokens, no one wants Forgotten Realms or Diablo, but things like “Amulet of the Tree Stump” or “Bill's Cudgel of Ork Skull Bashing.” Heck, maybe just a trusty spear or helm once in a while. Chests, storerooms, weapons racks, weird stuff that only the bard has ever heard of . . . you know, treasure. This would also be a great opportunity to write up background stories from around the Shield Lands. Concerns about abusing an over-abundant game economy would be better addressed when examples actually had the possibility of arising.
Summoning Tables
A script for interesting summoning tables based on alignment or even randomly would add a lot of fun and personalization to playing a spell caster. As it is now we often have more badgers and wild boars in an adventuring party than Dwarves.
Time
The time system is a great addition to a video RPG. Its current manifestation is a bit jarring due to its reliance on characters resting to advance time. I know this was one of the hardest systems to implement and I have few ideas for a better alternative, but I think Mr. Alex had some suggestions.
Find Familiar
It is a shame that every time a wizard summons a familiar he is penalized in his gained experience from battle. Since it has been determined that this problem is unfixable in the NWN tool set short of completely rewriting the experience system, the little bugger could at least help out instead of turning and fleeing with a clever comment at every sign of danger. Developing artificial intelligence is a bitch.
Teleporting
The addition of easily available scrolls for arcane spell casters helps out with many of the deficiencies of playing those characters that is embedded in Dungeons & Dragons. I also think that by limiting the benefits of non-magical healing to make the Cleric an essential party member like in the tradition of good old first addition settings is great as well.
The larger issue of the whole party getting completely demolished with no hope of getting back to town without a long and gruelling marathon of enduring ambush after ambush could be foregone with the inclusion of a “Teleport Allies” scroll that could serve as something of an escape hatch when the party inevitably gets in over their heads. This would make bringing along a wizard or bard a lot more desirable when deciding on comrades as well. When I brought this up before there was some grumbling about “suspension of belief” or some such nonsense, but remember this is a fantasy setting where little people shoot lightening bolts out of their fingers and pseudo-Norse gods grant badgers from their celestial realm to devoted followers.
Destinations
At this point the Shield Lands is set up in the “Town and Dungeon Format” that Mr. Pete is quite fond of (see the module masterpiece the Temple of Elemental Evil). For better or for worse the wilderness areas surrounding town have grown so vast that once you are out there for a spelunking trip it sure seems like a long way back, especially when you are beset by nasty beasts ever ten meters. The population of bad guys is just too dense in the woods (dungeons are another story) but it sure seems desolate when you are looking for an ally outside of town. Travelling, and the elaborate system for it, would make a lot more sense if there was somewhere to arrive at. The prospects of another town or two I find promising for providing role-playing depth, but even just some hidden waypoints where you can acquire food and rest, sell loot, and have some conversation out in the oppressive wild would be nice. Things along the lines of a lonely ranger's cabin, the camp of some merchant/treasure hunter dwarves, or the cave of a witch inserted into larger maps. Herr Ryan designed a quite elaborate town-under-siege and a snowy battlefield with persistent NPC's manning the front, both of which looked very promising.
Rings of Difficulty
Designing maps and the organization of monster populations in them needs to be a bit more static. Placing foes before every session is unnecessarily labour intensive and the tendency of Mr. Pete to design everything for a party of 14 people with eighth level characters is just too hard to resist. More challenging foes approaching you as you get further out into the wild makes sense within the story and would let characters build up and explore in a more enticing manner. Sometimes it is fun to try and defeat an impossible foe within an inch of your life, but not at every second of game play and as the only adventuring option. The goblin rat shamans want to maraud just like all the other bad guys.
Also, monsters always get the jump on us, even with skilled scouting we have yet to ambush an enemy.
Travel
Map design at this time is very linear, but there are no roads leading you through the wilderness. If destinations were added than roads leading you through a linear series of maps might make sense. You could have the possibility of being waylaid along a beaten path, or surely if you were foolish enough to venture away from the road. If it is preferable to organize maps into an open ring of wilderness some changes to area transitions are in order. Area transitions above ground need to open up a lot, there are just too many “bottlenecks of death” with monsters camping in them and no alternative route around. In short, multiple entrances and exits to wilderness areas (without spawn points right there) and an attempt to limit mandatory routes back to town through the “cave of ultimate doom” and along the “stairway of assured ambush” would be appreciated.
Additionally, if the travel signs could take you not only to the adjacent area but allowed you stay within the travel system to get to a destination, bypass an overly easy area, or to get home when trapped in the 1 hp-no gear-where is my momma-game over man! cycle.
Quest Items
This idea also seems essential to the game. It gives purpose to adventuring, an opportunity to be rewarded and recognized, and there was some exciting talk about implementing a strategical aspect to the game by sending our heroes back into the wild with a banner that would establish a friendly monster population in a map of the character's choice. Currently quest items are anti-climactic. Gaining 100 xp after you just got thrashed three or four times in a row thus losing 240 xp and gimping back to town with the nothing but your socks and the jewelled necklace in question hardly gets a player jumping for joy. These should be truly coveted because of an experience bonus that vaults you forward, maybe some sort of NPC/PC reaction bonus, and those cool banners that would allow you to call forth Shield Lander soldiers, Dwarven miners, or angry ankle biting Forest Gnomes.
The Dungeon Master
Mr. Pete (or anyone else for that matter) as the DM or not? With a DM elaborate dialogues with NPCs could be initiated, henchmen could have personality, monster populations could be shifted around appropriate to the situation, and enemies could react unpredictably with leaders spouting snappy threats. The DM could work as an on-line administrator but also could add to the role playing depth and fun, while cutting down on problems that come along with pre-planning everything. This was the original idea in the demo version of the Shield Lands and I think the game has enough variety now to make that work. Mr. Alex did this once or twice in Nordock and it was the only time that module was ever really fun for me.
Currently Mr. Pete is logging on as a player character and sort of leading us by the nose to the newest thing he has designed. This has two problems: the other players never get to actually discover anything, and if he says, “Let's go check this out over here” you are in for a lot of fun at the newly created “ravine of immanent head wounds.”
4 comments:
I agree with the 2nd town idea or the magic "escape hatch" at the end of the line or perhaps both.
If these ideas are utilized i believe it will remedy a number of ills.
1. The dying thing does happen quite a bit, so much it seems that people have become a bit squeamish about adventuring out to far without healing potions or cleric spells (so what about camping? did I miss something or isn't that the whole idea of camping? if its about the MPOP repopulating an area, maybe it can be scaled back or just like in tabletop, people have to rest in shifts to protect the party. i think camping in order to advance further in the adventure is important).
2.I imagine its hard to plan the monster populations ahead of gametime when we keep making new characters. Maybe a pre-game head count could be made to see if people want to play their old characters from previous sessions (i.e. tailoring the MPOP to a higher level adventuring party) or if people want to play a new party of 1st level characters, so the monster population can be a little more "subdued" to match our abilities.
3. it's true, i had been working on an area (a couple actually), which unfortunately were taken out by the "computer virus of multiple woes", so i haven't yet rebuilt those areas (though i was quite fond of one idea). It was an overrun town, and part of the map was a battlefield with two fronts. One encampment was held by a regiment of shieldlanders (which were driven out of their own town after a bloody battle and have low morale because they had their asses handed to them by a tribe of savage orchs) and on the other front there was the orch tribe that had pillaged and then burnt the town to the ground (important to do it in that order) and was gradually pushing the shieldlanders out of their own territory through the mountain pass.
That is until our mighty heroes show up!
( i would love to rebuild this and maybe it will be even better the second time around. though i could use your input on a few scripting things or maybe I can send you the area when I'm done painting it and you can work on scripting in things like the alter, the signposts, the shopkeepers, and the MPOP. Also, where did you find those wonderful tilesets for the shieldland armor and uniforms for soldiers, also sewers and the woods. they are different the standard NWN, obviously, but where do I find them so I can retain continuity with the Shield Lands[TM] brand.)
3. I haven't played a character that summons familiars or a nature's ally yet, but I have noticed that for other players they're animals always seem to get scared and run away (most famously from last session was, Murray the Bear) at the sight of a couple of goblins or bugbears. the funny dialogue adds some realism (but can't those animals only talk to their masters and either telepathically or in the animal's "language" of growls or barks anyway?)
Well, point being, ~RANDOM~ summoning tables would be great and funny animals as well, but make them fearless! remember the wizard character from the D&D cartoon? imagine if a character summons an animal and he randomly gets a a billy goat, a unicorn, an imp or a flock of chickens! this might be hard (or impossible) to script out, but could make this spell really funny! just think if there is a flock of chickens that start pecking the enemy then the orchs attack the chickens instead of the party (kinda useful?!)
***but then the question of splitting xp with the summoned animals comes up again. isn't there a way to turn that off?
4. the treasure thing is a MUST, Pete. I think the variety and wackiness of magic items will make things really fun too. i think we all agree that putting in a ton of +1 longswords is dumb. But how about,
helm of underwater breathing (very practical if we ever go under water.),O.K. or howabout a magical boomerang spear (that does great damage to the enemy, but also has the potential to do a fraction of damage to the thrower when it returns! yikes!), or the dove's feather of Fear (ha-ha! take this you nasty bugbears, behold THE FEATHER OF DOOM!)
***I would love to help design some items. is it possible to save items I create and then email them or upload them to you pete (to see if it's up to official shield lands specs?)
the other thing with the treasure is that since it can cycle through populations of characters and monsters this a cool feature, but when all the treasure is "ye olde standarde club or crossbow" or a sling bullet, then it's hard to tell (or meaningless) to know if my character has picked up the goblin club off a dead foe that was looted from my dead body last week. more specific items and therefore more valuable would be much appreciated!
5. Destinations--- great idea! i'm all for it, in fact like I said. I'd be willing to help. Jason has already made a few good suggestions. Like it doesn't even really need to be a huge built out town or city, but a simple travelling caravan with some merchants willing to trade, or a crazy hermit (but, possibly helpful in some roundabout way), or a wood elf refuge or a ranger's cabin placed in key areas near to the entrance or exit of a dungeon.
Some Nitpicking:
6. speaking of keys, how about keys? there are enough locked treasure chests. who's been manufacturing these locked chests with no keys anyhow and how is he still in business?
7. thieve's tools (haven't seen any, are they in the shop or in a locked chest somewhere? oh, cruel irony!), scouting, sneaking setting traps (do we just have to make them or can we buy or find components somewhere else?), and ambushing the enemy.
I really would like to play up a thief's potential with his ability to scout ahead, sneak, and spot the enemy. then there is the possiblity to lay a well placed trap (maybe in one of those bottlenecks of recurring death and pc looting), and take out or incapacitate a few enemies before the rest of the party rushes in. I realize that it's up to us to make our own strategy, but that doesn't even come into question when the monsters rush at us as soon as we see them (maybe this means reducing the trigger area for these monsters to attack.)
but, yeah something could be done to balance the scales of monster ambush/surprise attack encounter ratio.
8. I really look forward to playing every week, despite the bugs thus far. I think we all do, which is why we want to help you fine tune it so it can be even better, which is naturally what happens in these playtesting sessions.
Onward to Victory!
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THings I really like:
1. that priests have to make sacrifices to their gods. I think maybe making it necessary to have a holy symbol in the cleric's (or druid's, or paladin's) inventory to cast spells and pray to his/her deity could be interesting (especially if it get's looted by a goblin shaman, oh no!) this sentiment also goes along with spell reagents for wizards. it adds realism and is one more thing that pc's have to be mindful of. that their spellcasting is not infinite as long as they rest.
2. Quest items! having a goal to work towards is always important (and i think Jason hits the nail on the head) it's important that those quest items be valuable and maybe be a crucial part gaining XP and reputation among the townspeople (so that the pc's can get cool stuff like banners and control of a regiment of soldiers. or what about being rewarded NPC retainers that we would normally hire, but when we turn in a quest item they are conscripted to our command by the duke or lord for a job well done.
also, maybe the xp point awards for turning in a quest item could have and extra 0 behind it, or at least double or triple the value it currently has.
3. I like the nonlinear map idea. the more the road branches the more potential to explore.
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o.k., i'm done with my suggestion session. that reminds me, are we playing Saturday or Sunday this time?
No time to comment, just rolled out of bed and rushing to work.
But, yes, we are playing at 2pm on Sunday.
I don't want to be rude and not respond to this. This is all extremely constructive advice. But I'm busy building, so we can talk about these suggestions at play-time.
It would appear that most of the concerns layed out in this overly long post were rectified with the last Shield Lands update, or at the very least will be addressed with the next one. I have talked with a few of the people that played last week and the consensus is that it was the best session yet. YAY Mr. Pete!
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